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Jon : Jon How do you decide that something is true?

How do you decide that something is true?

Posted on Apr 3rd, 2008 by Jon : Jon Jon
This is in Response to the Questions and Reflections for April 03, 2008:

Wittgenstein wuz a rather clever sort of chap and demolished centuries of epistemological...that's the study of how we get to know things...epistemological theory when he wrote...at the beginning of...I think...The Blue Book...."If you grant that here is one hand we'll grant you the rest"...drekking brilliant, that....hold your hand out in front of you right now....does it exist?....of course it drekkin' exists, it's right there innit!...okay; so do the buildings and the birds and the bees and the experience of sex which slides through your awareness like molten honey as you slide your hand up...up...ah...ah..

Oops.

Sorry. ...where was I?...o yes....ontological truth....that's the facticity of things existing at all...of course this begets the question of how it is we come to think about anything in the first place....boy would I like to know that one... flip over the motherboard of my awareness and dicker with the wires...I'd pull out the ones for rumpy pumpy in one crackling flash and install a timer designed to allow me to reconnect with my concupiscent consciousness in, say, August, when these saprising energies begin to wind back into the morphogenic ecofabric of the implicate subtle....

Then there's other levels of truth embedded in the ontological cement....knowing what is right and real in the relationships which...in a sense...we are...for example....somebody dear to me says something kind or rude or sexually provocative or silly and what is ontologically true is that one or more of my chakras or other bits of my energy field get impacted upon and i feel that....and i think stuff in response.....but there's that intuitive truth that has no guidebook that tells us whether what we believe about that other person's motivation is right or real or requited...and how to respond.....

This radar...partly honed through an open-hearted lifecourse, partly samskaric insight born of fortunate karma....this radar tells us when to hold fast to the rudder of our will as we flow boatlike down the  fast young river of the  lebsenweldt, the lived-world....and when to let go and let it carry us through those painful emotional rapids we need to ride out...or diving ecstatically over deep waterfalls into tairns of  moiling congruence and pleasure....and when to draw up to the boats that are others, square amidships....and when to cast off and say our au revoirs for this particular lifetime river....and when to anchor and when to hoist sail...and now I'm just in the riverworld and have lost sight of the analogy..bugger it...and...fuck me it's nine and I gotta go to work......

Finally...gosh, gosh...another sort of truth...is it true that Jackson Pollack is a brilliant painter cos you oughta see the state of my cellar when lewis has finished spraypainting his namegraffiti on the wall...splatt-o-rama.....is he a genius and can i retire on the proceeds of lifting my plarster walls canvaslike out of the den??????

Warmly, Jon xx
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Nicole : lovelightsinger
41 minutes later
Nicole said

having a difficult time with the celibacy thing, are ya? x

Zephyr : Poeticspirit
about 1 hour later
Zephyr said

Celibacy?  With love it's divine. LOL
I'm with you on the intuition thingy.

tamettao : Explorer
about 6 hours later
tamettao said

Hi Jon, found this at www.imprint.co.uk/Wilber and thought you might enjoy it as it mentions the 'drekkin brilliant' hand - but do you put your right or left hand forward - better to put both:
Thus, it appears that the two Right Hand validity claims (objective truth and functional fit) are grounded in empirical observation (and some sort of correspondence theory of truth); whereas the two Left Hand validity claims (subjective truthfulness and intersubjective meaning) require extensive interpretation or hermeneutics (and some sort of coherence theory of truth). And perhaps we can begin to see why the human knowledge quest has almost always divided into these two broad camps, empirical vs. hermeneutic, positivistic vs. interpretive, scientific vs. intuitive, analytic vs. transcendental, Anglo-Saxon and Continental, Right Hand and Left Hand, the correct point being that both are indispensable, and that we should not attempt to go one-handed into that dark strange world known as ourselves.' Wilber 96

clyde : two cents
about 13 hours later
clyde said

some very nice poetic verse running parallel to the rationalist strain.

do i get half of what you are saying?  hmm… maybe, maybe not.

In the thick soup of time.

Wow, you've studied a lot to be where you are!!

My mind is reeling.  usually i can get stuff pretty well after a second reread when exceedingly complicated (like a challenging movie that flows like a river the second time round).  jargon often the greatest barrier.  But…we've all gotta learn the language if we want to see the view.  And thank you so much for your explantion for the major terms.

.bless your soul for the free exercise Jon!!

damn, like a freegin treadmill uphill

tanstaafl!!!

Jon : Jon
about 16 hours later
Jon said

Thanx folks….Nicole, Dawn..got the celibacy thang under control now….Tara, Tam…right on the money as I would expect….Clyde….your warm fuzzies calm my chilliwibbles…Jon xx

Nicole : lovelightsinger
about 20 hours later
Nicole said

well done, you! xx

Sanjuro : Digger
2 days later
Sanjuro said

Jon,
You scoundrel, how could you inflect Monty Python with Philip Jose Farmer into some Cumbrian Buddhist flowchart of the subtle act of laying pipe. I'll meet you down the pub.
G
p.s. next it'll be The Wasp Factory meets Herman Hesse and the Goodies!

kcidybom : Manager - Bank of Cosmic Connection
3 days later
kcidybom said

Yeah, but Ludwig also said “We could present spatially an atomic fact which contradicted the laws of physics, but not one which contradicted the laws of geometry.”  Did he mean Euclidean geometry?  Well then, what does he say about this?  And all that work and he never even scored a goal.  Monty indeed!

At first I read that you “had the celibacy thang well in hand…”  That would have been a cool pun ya know.  I tried that once, to help with the writing, but alas nothing came of it…instead of writing sated it was writing horny but the words were pretty much the same.

Fun stuff Jon, thx…;-)

Jon : Jon
3 days later
Jon said

Sanjuro….Graeme Garden's directoral debut; Das Glaswaspenspeil?…wot a gas…Al….didn't go for the hyperlink but would that be a triangle writ on a sphere perchance?…if so, he did have something to say about that but buggered if i can remember the reference….

Still celibate and also grounded but Robert masters had his hand in that…Jon xxooxx

Sanjuro : Digger
3 days later
Sanjuro said

Ahhh, yes, otherwise known as The Ringyerneck Cycle… :)

Jon : Jon
3 days later
Jon said

LOL

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